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Hijab Devoted, Ban Oppressed by thearttheart Hijab Devoted, Ban Oppressed by thearttheart
"If the Virgin Mary appears wearing a veil on all her pictures, how can you ask me to sign on a Hijab ban law?"

-Roberto Maroni (Italian Minister)

I really dont know why there is such double standards in the world today when it comes to 'Islam' which means 'peace'. Muslim females wear 'veil' as a sign of modesty as commanded by the one Almighty God, most Wise, most Merciful!

And I hate the fact that the media is so biased & controlled by a certain group of people.

Disclaimer: This is not my art work. Its just a reminder! In case the real owner requests, I can put his link or delete, as required.
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terors Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hijab ban law? is there sucha  thing?
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CoolLittleDude Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014
Right which is why I'm neither a believer in Christianity or Islam.
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ariff510 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
A very true statement. I am very happy looking at the discussion in this page. No arguments, no insults, just pure mutual understanding and mature conversation. Being raised in a multi-cultural country (Malaysia) and have befriended people from all sorts of religion, race and ethnicity, I find cooperation and understanding and tolerance is the way for us to live peacefully. Some may try to disturb our peace, but we must be prepared to link-arms and face these individual who dares to trifle with the idea of a harmonious living environment.
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thearttheart Featured By Owner May 19, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
thank u so much for the humble reply..

and we want to promote this, as Islam is the way of life to attain peace with the Creator and His creation! :D
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ariff510 Featured By Owner May 22, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Insyaallah
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HeavensMorbidAngel Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Those who are oppressed are the ones we never look at, for when we do we feel shame.
A hijab is just a piece of clothing not a prison. If a person wishes to be modesty good for them since we live in a world that says more skin is beautiful. When in fact more young girls have a distorted view of beauty due to this. Beauty is not all physical and we as humans have forgotten that.
All I see is a beautiful woman who needs nothing to prove she is beautiful.
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xanatos321 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2012
The reason between devoted and oppressed is the nuns can take their down without fear. The muslims never can. The ONLY way to know if its your will or oppression is to do something different. In Saudi Arabia they let young girls to die inside a burning building because they were not veiled and thus immodest to be let out among men. Till you try freedom you can lie to yourself about it being your choice.
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thearttheart Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
sorry for the delay..:(

this is clearly a great comment, deep and meaningfull..:heart:

true beauty in inside a person his selfless love for humanity, god and everything else..
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LWs-Photography Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Wow this is very true, very powerful statement. It is true, I remember someone asking me ''Why do women in your religion cover their hair if God created their hair''? In which I replied in every method of Islam there is a idea to it, a women not covering herself properly is more open to per say, disgusted minds or perverted or rapists, its just a thought. While women who cover themselves properly are respected not for how they dress, but their beauty inside and out =)
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thearttheart Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
very wise words!
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werejaguar Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2011
fear and bigotry unfortunately
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thearttheart Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
very true! that would have been a better title :)
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werejaguar Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2011
maybe
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Ardn1984 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
If a nun is seen in public without her veil, she doesn't get beaten. It's not an excuse to rape her, to stone her, or to shun her. It might not be proper, but it isn't something to be punished. While I'm sure it has happened- it's not a common occurrence.
I was born in South Africa; a beautiful country. Whenever I'd see South Africa on the News in America, it seriously confused me. All we saw were murders, poverty and the like. It wasn't until I was much older that I realized the reason why. I was sheltered. Seriously, sheltered. There were a few times in my life (I was 11 when I left) that I saw the extreme poverty, and occasionally saw the violence first hand (in the form of a march that resulted in us having to all but board up the windows). But in all, my life was pretty normal. We had a house (with much security, including bars on with windows- which I honestly thought was normal) I went to school (a private one, because public schools were burned down, the books peed on, etc), my parents had jobs. Whatever. My school mates were all different races and religions. My best friend was Muslim. Her name was Rachma, probably one of the most gorgeous girls I've known. I respected her religion, she mine- though she made no bones about not agreeing with it.
Of course, no one wore any sort of Hijab... we had a uniform.
Everyone fit in....
We were one school, regardless of ethnicity, religion, or whatever.
I think part of the problem with human beings in general, is that we shun what's different. You see a goth walking down the street- you'll stare. Two gay men walking hand in hand with nothing but thongs on. Oh- you'll stare. And in the case of many who aren't Muslim- a woman walking around covered from head to toe.... we stare.
Unless there's a way to magically make each person accept the other, I think the only way for society to work is to conform to the standards they've put forth. For example... some Muslim women want to wear their Hijabs in their driver's license photo's. That makes NO sense, because part of the reason the photo's exist is to identify the individual. Also, at schools, wearing religious clothes SHOUT that you're different and want to stand out to the rest. It only makes ones life difficult.
I'm not saying that being any (peaceful and truly spiritual) religion in wrong. Just that perceptions can be ugly. The only way to work around it is to change what people perceive... one way or another.
P.S. I'm agnostic, borderline atheist. My fiance' is Orthodox Greek.
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frostiemint Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2011
hello, just to give you more information regarding the hijab :)

The hijab is actually a piece of clothing you wear to cover your hair, neck and long enough that it falls below your bosom. So, it should be alright to wear a hijab whilst taking a photo for your driving license :) What you meant, I am certain, is the niqab. Where one covers 3/4 of their face with cloth and only the eyes are available for viewing. Correct? :)

And I agree with you regarding wearing religious attire to school but only to a certain extent. To me, a devotee will and must always practice the word of God no matter in what circumstances BUT they should dress according to the place and time. It is not good to stand out like a sore thumb because in Islam, the women are asked to wear such clothing to divert attention from themselves. There is nothing wrong with still adorning the hijab but maybe they can dress in something more similar to the culture in that particular country. It is not human perception that Muslims are afraid to tarnish, it is the perception of our Creator towards us that we care about :)

So, if a bunch of humans disagree with what we do yet it is what Allah asks of us than we are ready to let a bunch of humans disagree for we care not about what humans perceive us as, but how God perceives us.
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Ardn1984 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I have no problem with people just covering their heads. Many religious and non-religious people do so. (Think: Hat) Covering faces in many cultures is considered inappropriate because it conveys a sense of deceit and hiding. For example, thieves and assassins tend to cover their faces. (That's why many western cultures are uncomfortable with women completely concealed. It's a thought of: What are they hiding? What are they trying to conceal from me? Are they trying to hurt me? How do I know if I can't read their faces?) Covering ones head and hair however are completely acceptable in my view- We don't need someone's hair color to identify them. Just their eyes, their nose, their smile and their expressions.

As far as the religious aspect of your argument: I don't argue one way or the other. I have learned what I know of religions through very difficult, sad and disconcerting ways. My opinion on them will never change. I do, however, truly respect a person's right to faith. Human beings were built to believe in a higher being. We are spiritual by nature. It's difficult for many not to look at the world in wonder- and believe that it is the work of a devine being. People who are spiritual are far happier, whole and even alive than those of us who are not. I am existential in my beliefs, and initially it was a great trial to come to terms with it. It was like... walking through fire inside myself. But now that I've gone through it- faced my beliefs from the bottom of my heart- I am at peace.
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frostiemint Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2011
A hat can never be compared to a hijab because as I have stated, the hijab is more than just covering your head+hair, it should also fall below your bosom to hide the curves of your body. I can see and feel what you do when you talk about people who cover everything including their face, it falls back to culture.

Do unto others what you want others to do unto you right? If one wishes respect from another, first one must give respect and in this case, I guess people should just respect another's culture. You say you come from a diverse childhood correct? Then there must have been a lot of different ethnics and religions that were served to you as a child. If you ask people to respect your culture and views (in which I do) then I could only hope that you respect these 'covered' ladies' culture as well :)

As you can see, I am a Muslim but I do not cover myself head-to-toe in black cloth. It is because it is not in my culture but I do respect their dressing just like the way I respect Westerners who come to my country (in which Islam is the main religion) and wear bikinis. It is not something that we grew up with, but we have accepted that different people from different parts of this small Earth vary :)
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Ardn1984 Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Acceptance and respect are wonderful attributes that should be followed by every culture.
Something interesting to note: Even in America, there are several pockets of people who also don't believe in bodily exposure. Many Americans are actually conservative, but they aren't shown in movies and T.V (because to the rest of the world they are uninteresting). Sort of the way that good, honest, true Muslims aren't shown on T.V in America- More conservative Americans are only shown as corrupt money-makers. It's really interesting the part that media plays in confusing all of us.

Have you ever heard of the Amish?: [link]
They are a strong group of people who dress extremely conservatively, believe that technology is the mark of the devil, shun wealth, love peace and live in social groups who rely on farming their own food, making their own clothes, and avoiding contact with the "outside world". Very interesting people.

Also something interesting: [link] There is a lot of Data about the demographics of the U.S. here.
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frostiemint Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2011
I see. That is something new to me, the fact that there are Americans who aren't comfortable or agree with bodily exposure :) You're right, humans tend to focus on the negatives/bad sides of things because scandalous news and dramas are what feeds most of us. The media is such a dangerous yet interesting tool to propagate agendas.

Thank you for the links. I'll look into them when I have the time. Thank you also for educating me on your culture :)
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thearttheart Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
i appreciate ur comment..congrads on being an agnostic/ atheist. now u believe certainly that there is no man made, or any god who is Almighty's creation, or there is no God.

this is a very smart step :rose:, & may the Almighty reward u. u have already complete half ur faith. we believe "there is no God" too,

but w continue to say "except one Almighty" the creator of the heavens, earth & all beauty in them. He is self-sufficient, begets not, nor is he begotten, and is incomparable to anything in this universe.

coming back to ur comments above, i knw ppl stereotype this beautiful way of islam, by talking about the extremist minority which is less than 0.5% out of the 2 billion muslims in this world. trust me there r black sheeps in all communities. it is sad, that only these extremist gt over attention in the paid & biased media (this is a long story, mayb w can discuss later).

second, we muslims love the creation of the Almighty, insects, water, animals, humans etc and w wont harm in any case. "killing an innocent individual, is as if killing whole of humanity, and saving an individual is as if saving the whole of humanity" Quran. during the 800 years of islamic rule from Spain called 'ottoman empire' there was no bloodshed. hw did the indonesians, pakistanians, indians, malaysians, bosnians, turkish etc etc become muslims, there was no war, there was knowledge! =p

thirdly, for instance, w were living in 1800, and a DVD player was invented, to know exactly hw to make it work properly, we have to read its manual, and understand it & practice xactly as it says..rite. similarly the final testament is revealed by the one Almighty, in which it commands us to follow somethings (like no pork, no adultery, no alcohol, no immodest clothing etc), that r ultimately better for our life, and our hereafter, the true immortal life.

i understand ur point, and its clearly mentioned 'there is no compulsion in religion' Quran.

w r all the same, blood/skin/teeth ;p then why do much hatred, bloodshed? becuz ppl r leaving there belief in the one Almighty & setup partnership with satan, thinking this materialistic life is the truth!

:peace: my fingers r swollen ;p
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frostiemint Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2011
Dear MacroRaptor,

The people who kill free-thinking women for choosing to not cover their head with the hijab are muslims, I agree, but they are a minority. The total of Islamic devotees around the world sums up to almost 2 billion people, why focus on a few that bring down a religion's name? Understand the faith first, understand the religion. Islam does not promote killing, it is a major sin in our religion. Just because there are extremists in Islam, does not mean that that is the way of the religion :) (And my I also add that Islam isn't the only religion in the world with extremists)

If the world would just stop (or lessen) their attention towards these countries and take a look around them, they might learn more about Islam; a peaceful and moderate religion. There are muslims around the world who aren't killed for wearing the hijab, for example, me and my sisters. We still love Allah and we still believe in Him, like you have stated. BUT, as a muslim, we realise it is the orders of our Creator to cover our aurah (very body part except the face and hands) from people who aren't family. An order is an order, a fact is a fact, we cannot change what our God has ordered us to do.

Yet, we aren't killed. Why? Because not all (and by this I mean, the majority) of muslims are as extreme as the muslims that US/European media portray :) Media these days are littered with hidden agendas and propagandas. If you wish to know more regarding a certain issue, research and ask people who know. I am a muslim and proud of it! I don't like people getting the wrong impression of my religion :)
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MacroRaptor Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Oh definitely, I know and agree they are a minority in many countries where Muslim believers have settled(75% of my friends are Muslim of varying background.), but my main point was that it is unfortunate that there are women, (And men with different issues.) who live in Muslim ruled cities/towns/countries who are afraid to not follow the word of their God for fear of death being ruled as their punishment from their peers. Killing is a sin in all religions unless there's a "Godly instruction" for it. The problem is not Islam, but these people who enforce these measures as a "Law of Islam" using verses from the Qur'an as their excuse or certain interpretations of Sharia Law. In my opinion these people are not devout; they're perverted by power.

Same goes for Christianity and those who beat, and rob people for being openly homosexual using the bible as their excuse. Any "religious reasoning" for such things is inexcusable in my opinion.
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frostiemint Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2011
"there are women, (and men with different issues.) who live in Muslim ruled cities/towns/countries who are afraid to not follow the word of their God for fear of death being ruled as their punishment from their peers"

If these women and men fear humans much more than their own God, then they do not deserve to be in that particular religion. Humans expire but God will never. Fearing something just as fragile and temporary as oneself is just like fearing one's own self.

Though I do agree with your saying that using "religious reasoning" for such acts is most definitely inexcusable but it is also inexcusable for countries and authorities to BAN the hijab when there are plenty of women who find that liberating and a symbol of their honour and integrity as a women. People use a lot of reasons (some which do not even make sense) to use as base or contents of their argument. I just feel it is unfair that we are barking over a matter that happens once in a blue moon at some 2-3 countries in the middle east when all over the world, devout women who cover are shunned and are 'oppressed' from doing what our God wants them to; that is wearing their hijab.

What about the Israelis who kill and rob the Palestinians from their sacred homeland? What about the rally of American soldiers who came and kill the Iraqis and Afghanistans without even knowing the cause? And what about the American leader who let fleets of his people die for the sake of an unknown cause? If death was seriously our main issue, than why are we discussing deaths that do not even leave a mark on the overall statistics? :)
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MacroRaptor Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
In all fairness, there are just as many Nuns who wear a Habit solely because it's part of their faith and a requirement of how they have chosen to live, not because they want to wear it.

I agree that this is a double standard, but people can still be Christian without being Nuns. The problem arises when the people who enforce the laws of Islam, kill free thinking women for choosing to not wear the Hijab, even though they still love their god and believe in him.

I can understand religious devotion to a point, but when a woman feels that she must fear for her life for not wearing a Hijab; she is oppressed. Any woman who has no freedom other than what is given by her husband; is oppressed. That is my belief. Christianity has moved past it's outdated tenets of control of women, and other religions must follow or we can not grow as human beings and come to understand each other... Don't you agree?
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thearttheart Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
thanx bro for frank opinion, we all live to understand, learn, give and live peacefully. one dA replied to ur comment, but forget to click reply to ur comment, so chck it out [link] and I have nothing to add :)
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